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It's fucked up the most likely reason is Israel is trying to draw other countries into their war so they have an excuse to call in their allies...
This shit might really start WW3, and it's all going to be because the western world supported a far right ethnostate regardless of the evil they commit.
Give someone like that a blank check on rationalizing and literal billions in aid a year and this has always been inevitable.
Especially since the next president is Biden or trump. Neither one will even try to reign in Netanyahu
There’s no evidence this was Israel. Iran has plenty of enemies in the Middle East.
Correct, there's no evidence. However it's not like anyone would be surprised to find out the Israelis were responsible, they've committed similar acts previously.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AB0EQ/
I’d like to point out that ISIL took responsibility.
Could be every secret agency on the world. Could be local resistance. Could be a lone wolf.
Why are you all so confident it was Israel?
Antisemitism anyone? On lemmy? No way!
I'm going to go a step further and say that the vast majority of Israelis would not agree to attacking civilians in general, and certainly not like this. This is a pretty clear attempt to "poke the bear" which is never a good idea. Even the most hawkish Israelis wouldn't want to preemptively open another front in an already complex war.
The vast majority of Israelis support the expansion of Israel which kills civiliansalso the vast majority of Israel doesn't run Israel so it doesn't matter.
Attackng civilians is the entire reason israel exists
Iran is also a far-right ethnostate.
A far-right ethnostate that murder, rapes, and terrorises women, children, and men for “morality”.
A far-right ethnostate that tried to draw Yemen and Lebanon into the war by launching proxy attacks.
For those who actually oppose far-right ethnostate, let’s make sure we oppose all of them.
Iran is a multi-ethnic society. What ethnicity is the ethno-state you imagine centered on? Persians? You know that General Soleimani wasn't a Persian? Or that Iran's supreme leader is an Azeri Turk? Or that the merchant class of Iran is not centered on Persians? How is this an ethno-state? Zionists sure like projection it seems....
He clearly just meant "theocracy" which it is and makes no apologies about.
Iran is an illiberal hellhole
A Theocracy and an Ethnostate are two different things. If he meant theocracy he would have used the word theocracy, but he didn't. He used the word ethnostate
I agree. I'm big on specificity of language.
An ethnostate how? There are plenty of Kurds, Afghans, Azeris and others.
Lots of big claims but no evidence. It's almost as if you're intentionally inviting a certain narrative...
Between Biden and Netanyahu isn't all that rosy: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/12/politics/biden-israel-losing-support-netanyahu/index.html
And it didn't start just after the terrorist attack, and it isn't just Biden, remember that Bibi went all in for trump.
It is.
You're taking that comment to mean Biden thinks they've gone to far with the genocide.
Biden means the same thing he's literally been saying for 50 years.
That hell support Israel no matter what, but Israel not paying attention to optics means that governments may face pressure from voters to stop supporting them.
Biden doesn't think current events cross that line, but he's worried they're not doing enough propaganda.
The only criticism he's made of Israel in 50 years of supporting them, is that they need to worry about public perception.
Well, Israel is going to get American support regardless who the president is. Trump is just as likely, without any qualms on rhetoric, to send US weapons and money and maybe even troops to the mid east, but first he'll send them to the American south west to create his own 'Gaza' in southern California. So, it looks like America is in for another war in the middle east. Which is another big win for Russia, keeping us tied up there.
I'm sorry what? This is fault of the west? Really?
Russia invades a country, middle east goes on terrorist rampage and its the west that's starting shit? Fuck off lol
The west is certainly at fault for the Israel situation
Yes the west created the zionist movement and Islamic martyrdom /s
Maybe it's time for the middle east to take responsibility for their disgusting religion wars.
Literally yes.
Continuing to provide support in the form of weapons and other military equipment is the bigger issue though. This stops being the West's fault when we stop helping Israel with their genocide
I'm sorry but did you miss Oct 7-9th? That's the reason Israel gets weapons because the idiots next door are fine with dying as long as they can kill someone else.
Literally there isn't any other religion or culture that does this. Isn't that just mind blowing? No one else does this.
You seem to have cause and effect backwards
The terrorists are the victims for sure! /s
It's a 20:1 ratio. Who are the terrorists?
The guys that terrorize by their religion lol
You'll have to clarify that for me.
What other religions have the concept of martyrdom where death is justified by cause damage? Theres literally only ONE.
Why did you bring that up? That isn't in the definition of terrorism.
How am I trolling? That's a nasty throwaway comment to a genuine question. You cannot discuss properly so please don't bother in the future.
So what led up to oct 7th and how did all the dead Palestinian children help them?
Insane cult ideology led to 7th not the west lol
Delulu af
Did I say that? But I can see you’re trolling so delulubyebye
Maybe it’s time we stopped arming everyone in the middle east
You know most of the weapons are Russian right?
We shipped them Soviet weapons back when Kissinger was still in charge, so that doesn’t surprise me.
You’re right, the best time to do it was back when it started, the second best time is right now
Who do you think created Israel?
Everything is the fault of the US (or "west" if we're playing that game today) from the beginning to the end of time. When they've already decided what the answer is, all that's left is to force the facts to fit the narrative.
When the entire global historical narrative is framed exclusively through the lens of the "west is bad" then you remove all agency from every other country. It's a very dangerous and disingenuous tactic of rewriting history.
The brain wash is amazing. The terrorists straight up torture and murder people and people have the balls to justify it - "they were forced to do it". That's some next level delusion.
If we were anywhere near as bad as they pretend, they'd be exporting radioactive glass instead of bullshit and finger-pointing.
How about we just stop flooding the Middle East with weapons?
You know they're buying them willingly for their martyrdom wars right? It's the same disgusting propaganda argument that says we shouldn't arm Ukraine.
Only if Russia and Iran agree and do it simultaneously.
Iran is part of the Middle East
It isn't Isreal. There isn't a Hamas leader standing there. They killed him yesterday.