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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 101 points 2 years ago (5 children)

That has literally been their policy since Mao. This is not news.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Xi seems to see it as a objective he intends to accomplish in his life.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

So did his predecessors.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

First Taiwan then the rest of Asia that isn't India or Russia. They won't stop.

[–] deus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They'll never get Vietnam.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well you're not wrong. But the last time they tried, it was the Vietnamese communists that stopped them. Of course that was on the ass end of 60 years of near continuous combat experience.

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Oh, we're doing the Red Scare Dominoe Theory again?

It was so fun last time.

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[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

How will China convince all those Taiwanese people to vote for unification?

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago

Take a look at Hong Kong

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 2 years ago

In Chinese: "it sure would be a shame if I happened to lose control of all these bullets and bombs around ~~my~~ your country."

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Bold of you to assume they’ll actually count the votes

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[–] markr@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The PRC has always maintained that Taiwan is part of China and will be eventually incorporated back into PRC. (The ROC had the same position, but with respect to the mainland until 1991.) Taiwan was in fact part of China from 1683 until the Japanese started their imperial colonization of China and Korea, taking Taiwan in 1895. It would be news and a really big deal if the PRC stopped making that claim.

[–] zzzz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

... will be eventually incorporated back into PRC

It has never been part of the PRC.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As far as the PRC is concerned Taiwan has always been part of the PRC. That was the point. The Taiwan policy of the PRC hasn’t changed.

It also depends on your personal definition of a "nation" and whether you consider the Chinese Civil War to be over.

Fun History Fact:

Truman wasn't initially willing to involve the US in defending Taiwan from the PRC finishing the job in 1949, but no one bothered to tell them that, and then the Korean War kicked off and he instituted what would become known as the "Containment" policy.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah. This is a dance that the USA and China have been doing for half a century. The agreed upon resolution has been that the USA doesn't declare that Taiwan is a sovereign nation and China doesn't invade in the near term.

[–] AmberPrince@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My pet theory is that this was said specifically to destabilize the US. As others have said, this is not new. China has been saying this for a long time. But 100% the GOP is going to call Biden weak for not shutting Xi down and instead saying the US supports a "One China Policy " without any critical thought as to what the dynamics are.

This is to fire up the right wing base.

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[–] assembly@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

At this point Taiwan has been independent for a good long time so it’s probably time to recognize that. This comes down to what the people in Taiwan want. I’m guessing they are good with the current situation as it keeps tensions down but sooner or later they are going to have to make a hard choice and the US needs to back them on it. Either they vote for reunification (unlikely but you never know) or they unequivocally identify as not-China and completely independent. In the second case the US and world should be prepared to back Taiwan. What will actually happen? Well, if I were Taiwan, I wouldn’t want to piss of a neighbor like that who is likely to go psycho when you officially breakup. It’s like ripping off a bandaid. I would be terrified of what China will do no matter who is baking me up. Taiwan will have to make a choice sooner or later but I completely understand their hesitation.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Let's make West Taiwan happen

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Ah, and now the China become the Chinese

I'm going back to my shame-corner...

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You mean mainland Taiwan?

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You mean mainland Taiwan?

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

....after US gets their chip manufacturing off the island.

When the US can make their own chips, they won't be risking defending Taiwan.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

How nice. So Taiwan leader can rule over all China. We don't need China anymore. So generous of Xi.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The only way the current strategy of both sides changes is if a major factor changes, otherwise this cold standoff is the most stable place for both sides on the matter.

It could be that an election in Taiwan is won by a very pro-China party - a similar thing led to rapid changes in Hong Kong. Or an American leader changes tactics dramatically because theres no longer an incentive to support Taiwan.

Taiwan needs to be careful to guard against either situation happening.

Differing from many superpowers that came before the US, the US has a reputation of following through on what it says it will do long term, and the vast geopolitical diplomatic reach of the Americans means that for now, China would experience too high an economic cost to try and change this balance unilaterally.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

What was Biden's response? I'm too lazy/apathetic/ADHD to read the article.

[–] BaardFigur@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Gl on finally rejoining R.O.C under R.OC leadership. Didn't think it would ever happen

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The US won't allow it given how much industry there is of strategic importance to the US.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For now. There's already shovels in the ground for the US to make their own advanced semi-conductors

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That is gonna take ages and the whole rest of the supply chain is in Asia too. Also all the personnel lives in Taiwan. There's more to chip manufacturing than just buying the ASML machines.

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[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

China's very own Cato. Ceterum censeo...

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