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Visitors at Louvre look on in shock as Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece attacked by environmental protesters

Two environmental protesters have hurled soup on to the Mona Lisa at the Louvre in Paris, calling for “healthy and sustainable food”. The painting, which was behind bulletproof glass, appeared to be undamaged.

Gallery visitors looked on in shock as two women threw the yellow-coloured soup before climbing under the barrier in front of the work and flanking the splattered painting, their right hands held up in a salute-like gesture.

One of the two activists removed her jacket to reveal a white T-shirt bearing the slogan of the environmental activist group Riposte Alimentaire (Food Response) in black letters.

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[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 83 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (39 children)

I really hate the destruction or attempted destruction of art in order to bring awareness to a social cause. I get in this case the painting is highly protected, ~~but there have been plenty of other instances where this has happened to other art where that wasn't the case~~.

Not only are you a self-entitled piece of shit for tying to destroy something that is on display for public enjoyment, but you are virtually guaranteeing that anybody who didn't already agree with you won't take you seriously because you are acting like such a piece of shit.

Seriously, there are a lot of legitimate reasons for civil disobedience and public protest. This is not the way to go about that, and if you think it is then fuck you in particular.

Edit: I didn't think this was going to be such a divisive issue. After some further research I am retracting my earlier statement about other art being damaged in these protests because I don't see much evidence for that after all. It seems like these protestors are often targeting art they know will get maximum media exposure without causing lasting damage.

HOWEVER, I still think this type of action is counterproductive when you are trying to, hopefully, win over people that either do not support or are not aware of your message. Collective action is an effective means to make change in society. I am, again, not disputing that. I just think that if the goal is to gain broad support for your cause you need to choose targets that are more representative of that cause; rather than art, which does get media exposure, but which ultimately serves to obfuscate or overshadow the true purpose behind your protest. Being savvy about your target audience goes further and deeper into the social zeitgeist than simply getting headlines for being angsty.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (13 children)

There hasn't really been many instance of art getting destroyed. This is legitimate imo, it gets in the news and no real damage is done. Personally, I think it's not far enough.

If oil companies get their way, whole countries are going to be destroyed, not just paintings.

It's also plain to see that any form of protest against oil companies is quickly villainized by the media. There's an agenda at play when you can't march, stand in traffic or just throw soup at glass.

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[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is not the way to go about that

What is your way to go about that?

If you aren't doing anything, what way(s) would you deem acceptable? If you know acceptable ways, why aren't you following through? Honest if-questions, not meant as assumptions.

Healthy and sustainable food seems to be a decent goal. People should be able to get behind this. So if all the disagreement is about the right approach, where are the people with the right approach, and where are all the people voicing their concern about art supporting them?

Please help me out. It feels as if people are more concerned about pieces of art which they may never see, than about healthy food, the climate, or other major issues which affect everyone.

I get why it puts people off, these points exist. I just wonder what the "right" alternative to these "wrong" approaches is, and wether the critics walk the talk.

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[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

The Mona Lisa is behind bullet proof glass and everybody knows it. Relax.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I get in this case the painting is highly protected, but there have been plenty of other instances where this has happened to other art where that wasn't the case.

Which ones? I've heard a lot of complaining about people destroying art that was protected and not damaged. The target of this kind of thing isn't the art, it's the headlines. They don't actually want to damage the art, so they purposefully target famous art that is protected. The media will quickly try to minimize that it was protected and lead people to believe they caused actual damage though, so that often gets lost.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I love a good protest ... But this isn't a good protest.

What’s the most important thing?” they shouted. “Art, or right to a healthy and sustainable food?”

Yeah, no. I think in a civilised world we should be able to have both and that sort of argument is weak as fuck.

Destroy all art because it is more important that we conduct research into cot death. Oxygen is more important than art and yet look at you, with your galleries.

It's infantile posturing of probably well off middle class kids who want their Rosa Parks moment for Instagram clout.

Further to that, attempting to destroy something that essentially belongs to everyone is just going to bring negative press. How about going after something owned by the head of Nestle? No? Is that too difficult and requires too much work?

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mostly agree but I mean it's not like they were trying to destroy art or suggesting that all art should be destroyed. There's plenty of unprotected art in the Louvre. In the same room as the Mona Lisa There's a huge painting on the opposite wall that's arguably more interesting than whatever view of the Mona Lisa you can get from 6 ft back and they didn't go after it. They're trying to get attention, like most protests.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I get that. And I broadly supported the stop oil protests that took a similar form. But I do take objection to the weird value judgement they are making.

What's worth more, art or sustainable food...

If I wanted to get complex about it I'd highlight the numerous ways in which art and sustainable agriculture have traditionally interwoven through folk practices, but I'm going to keep it simple and say that the sort of false equivalence they just used is the rhetoric of fascism.

In the UK it is frequently used to defy art that may be oppositional to political and corporate interests.

And that's it, art is, more than anything, a vector for public discussion and protest in its own right.

Their protest and the reason behind it is fine. The daft shit they said during it undermines everything else and could do easily have been avoided with a small amount of thought.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 58 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The painting, which was behind bulletproof glass, appeared to be undamaged.

Wow, who would've guessed.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's bulletproof not soupproof.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago

Fair enough.

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[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 years ago

I suspect the protesters knew about this.

[–] kholby@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Well, they never said it was soup proof glass.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago

Now we know. Every article from now on has to call it bullet- and soupproof glass. It is the law.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Almost like the spectacle is the point, and now people are talking about it

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[–] Haagel@lemmings.world 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm not usually inclined to conspiracy but I honestly think this group is planted by somebody to make environmental activists look bad.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

They aren't even protesting about (necessarily) environmentalism! It's crazy the number of people outraged that soup was thrown on glass that was in front of a painting and didn't even get to the part where it says this is about food security.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (9 children)

That just shows why this isn’t an effective form of protest. I’ve seen a lot of comments about how “this gets attention” but fail to see how no one is actually talking about the “point” these protestors were trying to make. Which basically ruins anything the protestors are trying to do as no one focuses on the issues expressed.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Although part of it might also just be the classic issue of people not reading that much past the headline. People see "protestors throw soup at Mona Lisa", and not get much farther than that.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Shows how effective it was. People don't even know what it is about

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lowhanging psyop spotted

my personal conspiracy theory is that these people are funded, if indirectly, by big oil. in the same way PETA smears the name of vegans, these mfs are designed to make you, the viewer, hate environmentalists.

the worst part? it works

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the Balkans, whenever people rise in peaceful protest against a corrupt goverment, that particular government sends 50 or so crack heads to join the protests and start demolishing stuff, so that an overwhelming police force can then disperse the legitimate protests. I've seen it play out times and times again.

[–] thbb@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

That's why trade unions in France maintain their own security forces, trained to spot troublemakers or hysterical militants and reign them in. Perhaps is this what makes for successful démonstrations.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

That sure will encourage work on environmental issues. /s

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Name a better form of protest to get the people's attention.
Spoiler: They've tried that before.

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[–] lightdust9745@pawb.social 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It worked. Good for them, no damage was done and the news is talking about the issue

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It's a dumb action, and this is from someone that supports direct action. How people are talking about an action is critical: the context matters.

The first thing people are going to ask is "why did you do this?" and the answer needs to make sense. Throwing soup on an oil exec, painting their office, etc -- something sparks a conversation in a way you can exploit to further the cause.

"Vandalizing" a famous piece of art not even tangentially related to your cause is just going to make people think you're an asshole and shuts down that potential for a productive discussion.

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[–] Flimbo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

THROW PIES AT THE RICH! Not art. The rich.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People have target the rich as well as buildings (banks, polluting factories) They get sued and it rarely ever hit the news.

Something like this? Plenty of witnesses jumping to record this and share on social media.

I dont think any art has gotten damaged by these stunts yet. All important pieces are behind bullet proof glass or not unlikely a copy with the orginal in a vault.

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They are covered in glass. They do this to make a scene to bring light to their cause. The painting wasnt harmed. Meh. Either way I've kinda accepted that humanity is doomed. I've gone through the 5 stages. Too many are suck on denial.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

...why the need of throwing food at a piece of art...?

[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

or paint, that's been a thing.

really pisses me off, environmentalists attacking art, of all things. random art didn't cause environmental issues, and they're undermining their own message with the sheer absurdity of it.

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[–] KingBoo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Why is soup the choice rather than dye, ink, or paint?

[–] BBQThunder@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

They knew they couldn't (probably didn't want to) damage the painting itself. The Mona Lisa has been behind bullet proof glass since the mid 90s, so it wasnt a secret. So they chose something that was relevant to their cause and they probably (rightly) guessed that soup would make a headline when paint or dye has been done so many times before that it might not.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Real reason: They’re demanding that France make assurances for access to food.

Fake reason: They’re Warhol fans.

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[–] ember@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

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[–] TriPolarBearz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Anyone else think of the Mona Lisa case from Glass Onion?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Again?!

Didn't another group do this exact same thing last year? I believe it was Stop Oil last time.

You'd think they just stop anyone with a thermos or other vessel capable of holding soup.

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