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Israel is murdering Palestinian journalists in Gaza. Where is the outrage? (www.theguardian.com)

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[+] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Neue Nazis.

[+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why should they be banned?

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Simply because they don’t agree with the fact that Israel is doing the same exact tactics as Nazi-Germany but with different methods.

I had an image that perfectly showed it but certainly he reported the message to get it removed.

The image compared Nazi-Germany tactics with Israeli government tactics and they ticked all the same boxes.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You shouldn't be banned, sorry. I was low on sugars or whatever when I wrote that comment.

Your sentiment is totally wrong, though. Israel state is nothing like the Nazi state was and those comparisons are only made because of what the Nazi state did to jews. Which I find in addition to factually wrong, extremely distasteful. Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism, but what you did here is.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The comparison is there, they doing the exact same thing.

Ethnic cleaning, genocide and apartheid. Zionists literally think they are better than the Palestinian people.

There are videos of Zionist government saying they want to drop an atomic bomb on Palestinian people in Gaza. The Israeli government compared Palestinian people with “animals” and “rats”.

All these things Nazi did too. Except the atomic bomb.

This is not antisemitism, this is reality. You’re just using antisemitism as an excuse to avoid the comparison.

This is my last message to you though, I refuse to argue/ discuss with pro-Zionist’s. I refuse to get a headache.

Anyway if anyone wants to see the image, it’s on Google. Just Google “Nazi and Israeli” and check the Google images. It’s there.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The comparison is there, they doing the exact same thing.

By my understanding of the phrase "exact same" obviously not. To start with, jews were never an actual threat to the Nazis. They were abused, deported, murdered entirely because they were being jews. Not because they were causing any harm in Germany. Hamas is an actual threat to Israel. I'm sure there are assholes in Israel who think that Palestinians need to be abused because of what they are instead of what they do, but that sentiment is not defining their actions at least currently. Plus Israel is a free nation (unlike Nazi Germany), where dissent is possible and allowed -- Netanjahu is not a dictator and he is quite unpopular.

Secondly, the magnitude is completely different. Germany murdered 6 million jews, which considering that there were about 500 thousand of them in Germany took some real effort. In other words, they did not only murder the jews inside their borders, they conquered several neighboring countries and murdered the jews in there. They were not trying to eradicate militant jews who commit terror strikes, they were trying to eradicate jews period.

If Israel would be doing the exact same thing as Nazis did, this would mean that Israel first kills almost 2 million palestinians, then conquers few of its neighboring countries, and kills 90% of the same population groups from those countries. They might get there some day, who knows, but if they keep this current rate it'll take them perhaps 20 years minimum to do it.

Israel is clearly not committing genocide in the sense that the word was used during WW2. In the modern, UN-defined meaning of the word, they sure check some boxes, though, but it's utterly wrong to compare their actions to the actions of nazis in WW2 just because we're using the word "genocide" as if it was the same word as it was in 1945.

This is my last message to you though, I refuse to argue/ discuss with pro-Zionist’s. I refuse to get a headache.

That headache is cognitive dissonance. You're learning the truth which disagrees completely with how you view the world currently. This has not been an argument, this has been you being wrong and me telling you how it is actually.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

They shouldn't, I got triggered like a douchebag.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Then get me banned. The image was direct proof of what’s been said.

[+] Stamets@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel has been killing journalists long before Saudi Arabia had Jamal Khashogji assassinated.

It didn’t start on October 7th, 2023.

[+] Stamets@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

There was a reason the world was horrified by Saudia's actions but wasn't phased when Israel kills journalists, and it has been going on for years.

From 2022:

The killing of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank has cast a spotlight on the high rate of Israeli attacks against media workers, particularly Palestinians, and the relative impunity under which they operate, according to local journalists, advocates and rights groups.

Abu Akleh, 51, was fatally shot in the head on Wednesday while covering Israeli raids in the city of Jenin.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/11/al-jazeera-journalists-killing-spotlights-israeli-media-attacks

From 2018:

On the second Friday of the Gaza protests yesterday, Israeli snipers shot nearly 500 Palestinians at the Gaza border, killing nine (per AP), and bringing the death total in two Fridays to 31. The international headlines feature the shootings of six Palestinian journalists, including one who was killed, 30-year-old Yasser Murtaja, even though he wore a flak jacket clearly marked PRESS.

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/04/palestinian-journalists-international/

As for why do western media don't care much when Israel kills journalists but went into a rage frenzy when Jamal Khashogji was killed, is left as an exercise for the reader.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People are outraged but not the right people.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 years ago

Or put another way: people are outraged, but the wrong people are in charge.

In the US, the ones who see a profit opportunity and/or considers sucking up to a fascist government and their propaganda arm AIPAC to stay in power and keep collecting legal bribes more important than the will of the people they're supposed to represent.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The face of Al Jazeera’s reporting throughout Israel’s relentless bombardment of Gaza was on air in October when he learned that his wife, seven-year-old daughter, 15-year-old son and one-year-old grandson were killed in an attack.

Hamza and his colleague, Mustafa Thuraya, a videographer for Agence France Press, were the latest of scores of journalists killed by Israel in its assault on Gaza in response to the Hamas cross-border attack in October.

If so, it’s a war crime and, as Al Jazeera has demanded, the international criminal court should add these killings to its investigation of Israel’s other alleged breaches of the Geneva conventions across occupied Palestine.

Even reporting from Gaza during the second intifada 20 years ago, when the Israeli military regularly invaded, bombed and flattened Palestinian neighbourhoods, did not feel especially unsafe compared with other regions.

Miller’s killing looked to be part of a pattern of ill-disciplined Israeli soldiers shooting whoever they felt like – not only journalists but UN officials and aid workers as well as Palestinian children.

Israeli politicians were quick to call for the “elimination” of a number of Palestinian journalists working for foreign news organisations who were falsely accused by a pro-Israel pressure group in the US of being “embedded with Hamas” on 7 October.

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[–] bfg9k@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I've run out of outrage.

I'm just so tired of people being ugly to each other.

[–] Creddit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Where should the outrage be? To whom should it be directed? What are the specific political moves that will change the behavior of the Israeli government?

I think these are the open questions floating around in the general world population right now. They are debated, but the answers aren't really clear to a majority.

I won't pretend to know for certain, but I think the outrage should be among Israelis and directed at their government because that's the only direct way to change it's behavior.

Alternatively, I guess a 3rd country's citizens could pressure their own government to divest from Israel or otherwise pressure them to change their ways. Of course, that's an indirect way to change the behavior of the Israeli government and does not address any preexisting reasons for aiding Israel in the first place.