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[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you describe who these supposed fundamentalists are supposed to be, how large this group and their influence was? Because it can't be the Haredi, who were far too small and insignificant a group in 1948.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You seem to think im just talking about jewish settler types whereas why that is a small portion of folks responsible for israels existence im talking about european and american financial and political supporters both jewish and christian. Its the christians in particular who wanted to artificially verify their prophecy.

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The reason why I read your comment that way is because America wasn't exactly an ardent supporter of Israel in its early days beyond recognizing it first, even going so far as to enforce an arms embargo against it. The UK also enforced this embargo. The most significant support out of Europe came from France, which had very strong ties with Israel, including in particular in regards to both nations' atomic weapons programs. West Germany became a supporter of the young state starting in the early 1950s, when its Holocaust reparations became a major source of funding (and free imports of vital goods) for the government in Tel Aviv.

American Evangelical support of Israel really only started to take off and become a force in American politics in the wake of the Six-Days war, when America, in order to counter Soviet influence in the region, began to back Israel directly. This was also when economic ties started to intensify. Evangelicals, while having voiced support of Zionism earlier (just like more moderate American Christians), more or less rode the coattails of this development.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I would call recognizing it pretty ardent support given that situation. Again how would the US view countries that supported a country that recognized a first nation country west of the mississippi. Would they be not exactly ardent supporters. Im pretty sure for me your moderate american christians would be to me fundamentalist and in the early days support can be counted in one way. Money. Its the same with terrorist groups today. All of them rely on funding from ultimately more legitimate sources. It may get washed in various way but they need the cash flow. Don't get me wrong it had much more legitamacy given the whole start with the league of nations idea wise, but right off the bat the way the borders were unclear and changed from one interpretation to another it was a cesspool to start with and both europe and america should have just stopped in that region. I mean this crazy stuff goes back to the crusades and it was never a good idea to be there.