Wanderer

Communism has been tried and failed exceptionally.

Hopefully something else comes along but I think it will just be a form of capitalism with higher taxes and UBI.

Difficult problems for sure.

Difficult times don't tend to have simple answers though.

Maybe this

I read it. I'm really not sure what I'm meant to be talking from it. I think a lot of Marxists don't understand what capitalism is.

"Its very structure, therefore, deprives us of the ability to decide collectively exactly what and how much we want to produce, on what energic basis and through what kinds of social relations. It deprives us, too, of the capacity to determine how we want to use the social surplus we collectively produce; how we want to relate to nature and to future generations; how we want to organize the work of social reproduction and its relation to that of production. Capitalism, in sum, is fundamentally anti-democratic. Even in the best-case scenario, democracy in a capitalist society must perforce be limited and weak."

Capitalism is entirely based on the the free hand of the market not on votes. People effectively vote with money. If people want more pears instead of apples, then more pears are planted than apples. The free hand of the market works without votes and infact is a lot lot more efficient than voting on everything or on trying to control these choices from a central government. Its fundamentally why (among other reasons) capitalism is so much more efficient than anything else.

Something that seems horribly missed by certain people that don't understand capitalism is externalities. Most economists want these corrections made to prices. They want ways to fix the tragedy of the commons, they don't want factories everywhere polluting they want the best use of capital, land and labour.

People get to vote on the limit of business. They can choose to have green spaces around cities and there is absoultely nothing a business can do about it. All the wealth made from capitalism that wouldn't exist without it is taxed by the government and the government can use that money to better effect. Lots of countries and cities have green spaces and high environmental protection. Capitalist want the government to pay for education and the government wants to pay for education because it gets more money back from taxes.

If I have missed something please let me know. But I'm getting tired of people on this site no understanding basic economics so I'm not sure how long this conversation will continue.

It's very easy to be a contrarian if you just point out issues without understanding the system as almost everything in the world has some form of issues. But it is a lot harder to understand than system and fix it and it's a lot harder to understand that system well enough and come up with an alternative. You don't understand capitalism and you don't understand the alternatives.

I think you should learn some economic theory. Maybe go out and buy a economics 101 book or watch some YouTube videos.

Well no tankies on this site wants to learn basic economics so why should I listen to some random guy rambling on for 30 minutes.

I don't think it's too much to ask for you to explain coherently and succinctly your point.

The fact you can't shows you're more interesed in spamming easy to copy links in hope that you can overwhelm me with content and beat me into submission. It just shows you have a poor defense and are resorting to other means to win an argument that don't rely on the argument itself.

Fuck that's so much better.

Imagine 1% of your entire population was destroyed, people keep getting thrown out of homes, critical infrastructure is being destroyed. The world refuses to help and more often than not supports the people doing it to you.

I'm not there, so I couldn't make an accurate statement. But I'm pretty sure I would be supporting the only people willing to do anything to stop them. The situation is just to dire.

I'm not watching a 30 minute video from some randomer youtuber.

You'll have to condense it and tell me why if this alternatives are better than capitalism have they never been used and why aren't they being used now?