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A White House spokesperson put it the best, I think:

The White House spokesperson Andrew Bates, when asked about Trump’s comments, said: “Encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and unhinged – and it endangers American national security, global stability and our economy at home.”

What's so insane about all this is that Trump saying something like that out loud means it's now practically gospel to the vast majority of GOP voters, and might as well be official party policy.

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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The bot missed what Stoltenberg said:

"The Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, has said any attack on the western military alliance would be met with a “united and forceful response”, after Donald Trump invited Russia to attack member countries that he perceived as not meeting their financial obligations.

Stoltenberg said in a statement: “Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines all of our security, including that of the US, and puts American and European soldiers at increased risk. I expect that regardless of who wins the presidential election, the US will remain a strong and committed Nato ally.”

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I expect that regardless of who wins the presidential election, the US will remain a strong and committed Nato ally.

Well, he obviously shouldn't.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago

He has to say that, though. Saying "if Trump wins, Nato is hosed" wouldn't sound as, well… resolute

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

If there was ever any remaining doubt that Trump is a Russian operative.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trump already killed hundreds of thousands of Americans during COVID.

So if you think he gives a fuck about Europeans...

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This isn't what not giving a fuck looks like. He clearly gives enough of a fuck to lie about this stuff publicly

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Europe would do well to become military self-sufficient. Of course once they are, there's not much reason to keep US forces in their territory either, so I'm not sure how much the US really wants that.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The idea that Europe isn't militarily self-sufficient is, frankly, horseshit. The US just has such an incredibly outsized military that anything will look "insufficient"

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

We can't supply Ukraine with enough weapons... or even munitions, as the self-pledged 1mill 155mm shells will be only halfway met (hopefully). The few self-designed combat aircrafts we have are painfully mediocre (Eurofighter, Gripen, Rafale...).

Definitely don't think we would fare any way decently in an actual war without US backing nowadays.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Being able to supply another country with weapons and ammunition while keeping enough stock for your own military is not the definition of a self-sufficient military, though?

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If we were able to succesfully do so, I would agree with that. We aren't succeeding in supplying enough to keep Ukraine in the game right now, though.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Gripen mediocre?

Do you have facts to back that up?

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m not sure how much the US really wants that

Or anyone else for that matter. Armed Europe has a somewhat violent history.

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, as opposed to any other country with arms which have a totally nonviolent history.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago

Trump just says stuff, brain farts really, that his MAGA sycophants just lap up and suddenly approve. On day soon they will be cheering as he jerks off in public.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Trump told a campaign rally in South Carolina on Saturday night that he would “encourage” Russia to attack any of the US’s Nato allies that he felt were not paying their fair share.

At the political rally, Trump – who is in the lead to be the Republican nominee in this year’s US presidential election – claimed that the president of “a big country” had asked him: “Well, sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia – will you protect us?”

In London, Peter Ricketts, a member of the House of Lords who previously served as the permanent representative to Nato in Brussels, wrote on X: “Not very plausible that the president of a ‘big’ European country would ask him that (or call him sir!).

Jan Lipavský, the Czech Republic’s minister for foreign affairs, said: “Nato is currently in the strongest position it has ever been, both because of the strong transatlantic link and because of the domestic deterrence and defence tasks that European allies are performing.

The White House spokesperson Andrew Bates, when asked about Trump’s comments, said: “Encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and unhinged – and it endangers American national security, global stability and our economy at home.”

In campaign speeches, Trump has remained sceptical of organisations such as Nato, often lamenting the billions that the US spends on the military alliance whose support has been critical to Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.


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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thank you, Orange hitler, for taking the issue of Biden's age back off of the table. And just in time for the Super Bowl. Swiftforce one is on schedule. Pelosi's troublemakers are favored

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you having a stroke or am I?

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

NATO comments now sucking air out of room instead of Biden age/cognitive capacity (not necessarily true, thx media); Taylor Swift Derangement Syndrome continues to bother chuds

Not really related to one another but I get it I guess

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Must be you. I feel fine.

[–] skeptomatic@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's so insane about all this is that Trump saying something like that out loud means it's now practically gospel to the vast majority of GOP voters, and might as well be official party policy.

I truly believe comment like this, and maybe the whole post, is harmful.
I know you want to state your opinion, but if your goal was to change opinion, this language/post will never, ever, cause a republican to flip or abstain from voting. I don't believe anybody in the middle would care and it certainly won't affect lefties.
In fact you added another "Trump" word to be searched on the net, and added fuel to a dumpster fire.
It's like school shooters and mass murderers. We need to stop naming these psychos. It adds to his ego and infamy. Any publicity is good publicity.
And I imagine, it might even might spark others to follow suit. Everybody is so concerned with Trump, nobody's thinking about who comes after.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I really wish the community would stop upvoting the headline "Dummy says dumb thing!"

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

he's good at putting other people at risk with his words and actions