So when Trump tries to overthrow the largest government of the free world it takes 4 years for his trial to start, but when Biden backs his military allies it takes less than a month?
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Let's not compare apples to oranges.
Biden isn't less deserving of scrutiny because he is the better president. He is backing a genocide, that should be put to him.
Will anything happen? No, because America doesn't have justice left in stock.
US diplomatic efforts have been consistently pressuring Israel to restrain their actions. What people don't get, and what makes that statement seem insane to you, is that our ability to influence Israel is entirely dependent on our public support and, even so, is severely limited.
Let's say we go hard against Israel, cut off their access to US weapons manufacturing, and cut off their aid. Suddenly one of the three great regional powers in the Middle East is up for grabs and Russia eagerly steps into the void. Now Russia has two of the three in their orbit, the other being Iran. Iran happens to be the best regional ally of the Palestinians, but Russia will put an immediate end to that. Now the situation for the Palestinians is even worse, unless you think the US is going to threaten military intervention against Israel.
Biden has said some braindead shit on the topic, like taking this moment to call himself a Zionist, but the actions his administration have actually taken have been the best available in a very bad situation. The current government of Israel is basically their version of MAGA. They are going to do what they are going to do, and there is nothing we can do to stop it, short of putting boots on the ground ourselves. (Even if we wanted to, we are historically shit at these kinds of actions.). The best we can do is advise restraint and try to keep the conflict from becoming regional. We did manage to keep Israel from doing a major strike on Lebanon that could easily have sparked a much broader conflict.
America let itself get to this point, putting your hands up complaining that you don't have many options isn't acceptable when you publicly defend and prop up a genocidal regime.
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The US justice system goes soft on fascism. Always has, from operation paperclip to across the board leinency for j6 convictions. Hope this clears things up.
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largest government of the free world
By what measure? I would contest both the largest government and sadly the free world bits nowadays as well.
Trump took four years because the US prosecutor took four years. The court is the same, the prosecutor could have filed earlier, but "the case needed to be airtight". This takes less than a month because these people just went in and did the thing.
If you know any history involving US activity across the planet, you'd know that being a genocide embracing war criminal comes with being a US president, it's part of the job.
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Biden can point to literally dozens of battles, sieges, and wars that the US was directly involved in and resulted in similar levels of civilian casualties, with no genocide accusations. This is not going anywhere.
In past conflicts America has always had plausible deniabilty.
This time israel is screaming from the rooftops that they want to kill every man woman child and animal in Gaza. And then doing it
Cutting off food water and medicine also doesn't help. Nor does Biden repeating Zionist propaganda about beheaded babies or rapes that didn't happen. Or command centers under hospitals which were quickly forgotten about in the media after zero evidence was found of their existence.
Whether it works or not, it will massively tank the reputation of these institutions if they side with Genocide Joe.
Two corrections: On October 7, infants have been executed. While they weren't beheaded, they were still murdered. And sexual assault by Hamas fighters has been widely documented and proven.
These things did happen. You're not helping anyone by hiding things that are also true.
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Did the US ever kill 1% of a country's population in less than four months? Iraq took years to reach 0.5% and it was a big fucking deal.
I'm going to assume you're posting in good faith until proven otherwise.
The US never fought an urban country the size of Las Vegas, so a country-scale comparison is poor. We have however engaged in city-scale battles lasting several months, many of which killed 1% of the civilian population. A pretty good recent example is Mosul. There are several more egregious examples in the world wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc. notably we carpet bombed Tokyo for months killing several percent of the population.
Be careful not to ask why a country is packed into the size of Vegas or you may realize that was a coordinated campaign by the same people who are now claiming it's impossible to not slaughter innocents because of the way THEY designed the strip.
Intentionally brining about conditions that lead to destruction in whole or part of a group is genocide, literally as written, in the Geneva Convention. Israel is the reason it's so populated there, so when they blame the density, they blame themselves.
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Well, sheer number of civilian causalities isn't genocide. Israel is stealing land and pushing away Palestinians from their homes. Even if Palestinians weren't murdered and just forced to emigrate that would still wipe their culture
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Frankly, genocide or not, there should be consequences for the high amount of civilian casualties in those US conflicts.
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"I killed this person but I can point out to many other similar situations where this happen in the past"
Amazing logic..
... Literally how legal precedent works mate
No it's not. You need to have a trial to have legal precedent. You can't base a legal precedent on "Those other times were the same I reckon."
Lazy, wrong bullshit like this gets 7 upvotes, how? Brigading.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
In late December, 77 groups — representing tens of thousands of lawyers, civil society leaders, and activists from six continents — filed an amicus brief in a lawsuit that Palestinian human rights organizations, residents of Gaza, and U.S. citizens with family members impacted by Israel’s ongoing assault brought against the Biden administration.
Top administration officials have been dismissive of the case before the ICJ as well, with White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby calling it “meritless, counterproductive, and completely without any basis in fact whatsoever,” and Blinken deriding it on similar terms.
In late October, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu invoked a biblical verse about an enemy of ancient Israel that has long been cited to justify killing Palestinians.
The plaintiffs responded to the administration’s motion to dismiss on December 22, arguing that there is precedent for U.S. courts to adjudicate questions surrounding genocide and that their legal challenge is about more than the actions of a foreign state.
(The Biden administration is facing another federal lawsuit that accuses it of failing to protect Palestinian Americans stuck in Gaza, drawing a contrast to its efforts to help Israeli dual nationals.)
Correction: January 10, 2024, 4:45 p.m. ETA previous version of this article incorrectly stated that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu invoked Amalek in November; in fact, he made those comments in late October.
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This shit is going nowhere.
It got in the news, and thematizes Biden's election bid with him supporting a fascist Netanyahu's genocide. Not a good look when you're running as pretty much a protest vote against a fascist.
I suspect getting in the news was the objective. Media is now going to report every twist and turn of the trial, alienating Biden voters who want to vote for "not a fascist".
Man, I hope the US will knock this shit off, jail Trump yesterday, and figure out a way to have sensible politics, or it's going to be a shitty world.
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That's probably good, but why isn't Russia facing similar charges?
Putin is on the watch list and will get arrested if he enters allied countries right?
July 2023: Putin won't attend a South Africa summit next month, avoiding possible arrest
The same SA that said they didn’t want to arrest Putin and hold him accountable? I love how SA is trying to act like the good guy now when they wouldn’t hold the bad guy accountable just a few months ago. Israel’s war against Hamas, and their killing of civilians is the same level of horrible as Russia’s and yet South Africa plugged their ears on that one. They’re a joke of a nation at this point (and I get the complex Soviet history with apartheid they have).
Probably because Russia is an international pariah state that doesn't even bother responding to legal accusations anymore, while Israel is only working its way up to that status currently.
They are, have been convicted in the ICJ, that Israel has also been cited to. Putin has an active arrest warrant in a lot of the world as a result. Do you think Biden will get one?
One genocide does not justify another either way.
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