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GAZA/TEL AVIV, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Israel's government and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to a four-day pause in fighting to allow the release of 50 hostages held in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, and the entry of humanitarian aid into the besieged enclave.

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[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Their hostages vs our prisoners (that we hold without trial or accusation)

No bias detected.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

Which ones are the 150 women children to be released from Israeli jail?

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which ones are the 150 women and children to be released from Israeli jail?

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Edit: Confirmed that hostage is the terminology used by Hamas to describe their Israeli captives.

“Ezzedeen Al Qassam Brigades Military Wing of Hamas MovementMilitary Information Department”

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“Therefore, we declare that any targeting of our defenceless civilians' homes without prior warnings will be met with the execution of an Israeli civilian hostage in our custody, and this event will be broadcast publicly“

Original comment: Maybe I’m just confused, but doesn’t Hamas themselves use the same terminology?

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

I'm not saying Hamas is not holding hostages, I'm saying a lot of Israeli prisoners are hostages.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is such good news. Now the challenge is to keep both sides from reigniting.

I don't really know what Hamas and Haniyeh and Sinwar want, so it's hard to speculate what they'll do, but I know that Netanyahu is trying to reignite the war as hard as he can, and will be desperate to see the ceasefire ended prematurely under circumstances he can blame on Hamas.

For those who haven't followed his career (and his actions in the least week in particular) this seems abundantly clear. The absolute worst thing that could happen to him would be a deescalation that leads to an political negotiations. I really hope the US antiwar movement is prepared to increase their pressure, because I believe it's made the difference in getting us this far. As furious as I've been at Biden's response, I have read multiple reports that the US was far more involved in hostage negotiations than Israel, so I will give Biden this sliver of credit if people actually come home. But he really needs to stop propping up Bibi if he wants to land this plane for real.

[–] hydro033@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t really know what Hamas and Haniyeh and Sinwar want

Are you serious? They want the complete destruction of Israel. Have you never read anything Hamas has put out?

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is so dumb and reductive, though.

First, that goal is like trying to drink the ocean. It's obviously impossible, so it's not useful as an indicator for what they'll agree to.

Second, we hear this over and over, but the only citation is their founding document over thirty years ago. And in 2006 they went through a moderate rebrand, and then a lot of people in the org died, and Sinwar spent two decades in Israeli prison, so... that doesn't really tell us where they're at in this moment.

Folks act like they're orcs. Just mindlessly evil. They're definitely completely ruthless, but the stuff they do isn't that different from what the IRA did, and they still made peace. So what does Sinwar want? Has anyone thought to ask?

[–] hydro033@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago

Try this reporting for motives of Sinwar. It's a good listen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/podcasts/the-daily/hamas-israel.html