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[–] machinin@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course the IDF should investigate itself. I'm sure they are completely unbiased.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Clearly you're right. But the UN report did not say what the article said it said. Which means it's biased reporting.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The article prefaces every item with the word "alleged" or "alleges", just like the report. How is this biased?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because that word is not in the title

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are you expecting from "World Socialist Website"? Fact-based reporting? I don't think so.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would like the articles referenced here in this community to be fact-based, and I would like our discussion to be based on reality. The situation is bad enough as it is without having to make things up

[–] snek@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While I see what you mean by that, is the title being "biased" equal to the article being biased? Seems like all doubts are resolved upon reading the first paragraph.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most people don't read the articles, they read titles and they take the inference and go to the comments and fight. Titles that are misleading are effectively lies.

In the propaganda war, titles are ammunition

[–] snek@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, good point, like I said, I know what you mean about the title, but does a bad title necessarily mean the article is not factual?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. Misleading title is a lie. Putting that lie into the title of our community makes this entire discussion premised on a lie. Most people are not going to read the article, and the hasbara / propaganda of the title still gets the eyeballs. So it is a net negative

[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes

So yes that a bad title necessarily means the article is biased?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. Because the article exists as a tuple of both the title and the content, and the title dominates. The title poisons the article

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the truth dies only if you don't read the full article in this case, as is expected of people before posting here...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I can't believe most people are reading the article before commenting in lemmy

But even supposing they do, all the people who scroll past the article in the feed, are being poisoned by the lie in the title

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't believe that either, which is why I sometimes ask them if they have.

Sadly one cannot force anyone to read... one can only expect others to do it.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At this point, with the US influence on UN reporting bodies, I believe independent reporters over UN reports concerning the atrocities committed upon the Palestinian people.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And that's totally fair. And probably correct. But this article says the UN says something that the UN is not saying. Which means it's a bad article

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn't though. Only the headline does that. That's not good, but the article itself is not bad because of its headline.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If the majority of people only read the title, poisoning the title is effectively making the article bad. Even if the article itself is sufficiently conditioned.

So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.

Hmmmm, I find it strange that you are being pedantic and insistent on the title spoiling the whole article. The article does an excellent job being factual, linking to all its claims, and backing them all up.

I read the title again and again and I believe this is just a disagreement on the meaning of "report", between you vs. the rest of the readers who had no issue with it + the authors themselves.

Now I'm starting to think using the word "report" was actually more accurate... they literally mean that there was a report from the UN.

On Wednesday, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) published a report

This report and a similar allegation by the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor imply that Israel has moved from murdering civilians through bombing to mass executions.

Reading the article again helped me realize this. Maybe it can help you too?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think they'd just rather it said "UN reports Israeli forces are alleged to be carrying out mass summary executions in Gaza."

Still doesn't make the IDF look good, but it's a fair point.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Cool, no problemo. Can we now go back to discussing the killings?