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Hamas rejected a hostage deal drafted in Paris over the weekend because it did not include a permanent ceasefire.

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[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Hamas started this war for propaganda. They'll never let those poor female hostages tell of their horrors - that will look bad.

They'll pretend to want peace while never taking the next step, all while their people die.

The people on here pretending that continuing the war in any way helps the situation are sickening.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The people on here pretending that continuing the war in any way helps the situation are sickening.

No they're saying that giving up your only leverage is a stupid idea. This is about the politics of war and negotiation. The only thing keep Palestinian and Hamas from being paved over into a parking lot are the hostages. But it's not like the IDF gives a fuck about the hostages anyway

Hamas started this war for propaganda. They'll never let those poor female hostages tell of their horrors - that will look bad.

Everyone knows Hamas is bad. How many ppl do you see saying, "I stand with hamas". The ongoing opinion is there is no good guy in this. Only civilian (mostly Palestinian civilians) victims

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Leverage? Hostages are getting raped and Palestinians are dying enmass and starving.

Perhaps you live in a universe where all this leverage hamas has in the hostages has in any way limited the IDF actions?

Leverage over lives....it sickens me.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well they're negotiating over it right now so clearly it's has limited the IDF in that way

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hamas is never letting those women go. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise. In effect all you're doing is arguing in favour of a terrorist organisation raping hostages. Mull on that sometime.

In the meantime the Palestinians will start eating all that leverage hamas has secured no doubt.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hamas wouldn't go through all the trouble to capture them if they weren't willing to free them for a deal. They're not excusing it, just explaining why militarily it would be dumb for Hamas to let go of their only leverage without a better deal. They let go of a bunch and it only led to a couple days before the massacre began again and Israel basically recaptured about the same amount of people they exchanged. When is the next chance they'll get to have hostages for negotiation again? October 7th was an unprecedented attack that probably won't happen again for a long time.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course they would. They've been trying to provoke a war for ages. The hostages aren't for negotiations, they're to force Israel to come after them.

Hamas walked away from the last exchange when Israel wanted younger women released which says a lot.

They forced a war, pushed it into the civilian centres to maximise casualties and there's still people like you pretending this was a good option for the Palestinians or Israel.

Let them eat leverage hey?

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They've already been dying. There's basically been a war ongoing for decades, as they've slowly put the area under siege and taken territory and killed and imprisoned people. It's just the international community has ignored it.

How did they push it into civilian centers? They aimed for a military base. I don't know why Israel allowed a music festival right next to there. It's more like Israel has been pushing civilian centers into them as they slowly but steadily take territory and put their own settlers on Palestinian land.

I don't think this was a good option. You're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I really think Hamas fucked up with October 7th. What I think is that Hamas probably won't exchange their hostages, whichever ones they have left that haven't starved to death or died from Israeli bombs, because it's their only bargaining chip now.

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