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(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin, running for a new six-year term in an election that his opponents say is a parody of democracy, said on Tuesday that past U.S. elections had been rigged by postal voting.

"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it," Putin said, without providing evidence.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (5 children)

"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it,"

Problem - That's not the way vote by mail works.

  1. You register to vote and place a signature on file.

  2. You get your ballot in the mail and vote.

  3. You put the ballot in the mailing envelope and sign the back of the envelope.

  4. When the ballot is returned, they compare the signature on the envelope with the signature on file, if it matches, the ballot is set aside for counting.

  5. If there's a PROBLEM:

A) Missing signature
B) Signature doesn't match
C) Ballot damaged or unreadable
D) Ballot already recorded as present

The ballot gets returned to the voter for correction, assuming there's enough time for it to be corrected.

What Putin describes wouldn't work, because the fake ballots either wouldn't have a signature, wouldn't have a valid signature, or wouldn't correspond to a registered voter.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Won't matter, he is speaking directly to MAGAs, and they already believe that this is the truth

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You know how the Nigerian prince scams intentionally use terrible English to filter out the stupid ones?

Half the people you come across are below average. Technology has made it exceptionally effective to target the dumb and vulnerable.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Plus no one is allowed to supervise your ballot entries.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The supervision is the signature comparison, just like in person voting where you'd go in, sign the register, and they'd compare that signature to the one on file.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers" Where does that suggest it is the signature involved? The signature is compared before Voting when Voting in person and after the office receives it when Voting by Mail. It makes no sense that lil' dictator pootie meant the signature in his statement.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Valid ballots have signatures matching the registered voter casting the ballot.

In Putin's scenario, there are no signatures, the ballots are not associated with registered voters, and as such would be rejected at the polling location.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is not involved in the supervision of filling them out nor posting them. Both those things happen before or after, not during.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody supervises the filling out of ballots, that's an entirely private matter.

The only supervision that happens is the comparing of signatures and that happens both at in person and vote by mail voting.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Which is indeed what I stated from the beginning. Well done catching up.

[–] DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Bingo! Thank you for taking the time to write that up.

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

A lie spreads worldwide before the truth contradicting it can be typed, unfortunately.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Just like Trump lies, Putin requires that there be no evidence to support his claims. Imagine if Trump actually tried to prove his claims with evidence... it would fail. Even if one ended up true that would be worse as then people would expect him to prove things with evidence in the future.