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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I wonder how Israeli historians will remember this. Will they take take position of Germany and grow or US and justify all the shit because "we had to do it, we're great"

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They will deny it. They already making sure to get rid of all journalists and refuse visa for new one.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is that even possible with amount of records there are? They can kinda delay and twist the truth for a while but not for long.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Doesn't Turkey still deny they ever did a genocide, too?

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Yup. There's still an outcry any time a foreign parliament declares an acknowledgement of the fact that there was such a thing as the Armenian genocide.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Japan still denies their share of ww2 atrocities, and I believe the US cut a deal with them for the results of those atrocities.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just hope records are still being maintained. Digital records are fragile if not stored in a cloud.

[–] alehc@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

Internationall, it's a known fact. Of course the current goverment will try to deny it but in some (many) years in a different political context they might acknowledge it... Guess we'll see.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're already saying “we had to do it, we’re great”. It'll take some government toppling before that tune changes.

[–] porcariasagrada@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago

it will need a boycott and sanctions on the international level for israelis to change. netty is in power by a coalition of parties that gained voters after this. no consequences, and israelis won't change their behaviour.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

As the rate of Palestinian children killed by Israel to Israelis killed by Hamas surpasses the infamous 10-to-1 of Nazi killings of random villagers in Occupied France in reprisal for German deaths at the hands of the French Resistance, the pro-Israel propagandists are still calling Israeli actions as "defense".

This is quite consistent with the last couple of decades of Israeli propaganda: Palestinians and even Arabs in general are always portrayed as "violent" (not Hamas or Hezbullah being violent, rather the entire etnical group is painted as "violent") and follows the playbook from Goebbels and the one generally used by Fascists (not just Nazis, though in terms of rabid racism, the Nazi kind of Fascism is the closest one to the what's voiced and the acts of the Israeli leadership and their military) were the target etnicity is painted as "violent" and "attacking us", thus justifying mass murder as "defense" or "protecting ourselves".

I expect the history they write will be anchored on that fantasy of "defense", whitewashing the extreme disproportion in deaths -most of which civilians - that would otherwise make it painfully obvious that what's being done is far beyond "defense", beyond even the racist kind of "reprisals" (racist because all Palestinians are made to pay for the acts of the tiny fraction of them which is Hamas) and into "ethnic cleansing" territory.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Today's evidence will be hard to destroy and deny. Cameras and shit.