4e Pack Lord: Whenever heroes kill one of its allies it can force one of them to hit themselves, it can move multiple allies forwards, grant them extra attacks
5e Pack Lord: Just regular Gnoll but can recharge one ally's Rampage.
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4e was much more combat-oriented. Everyone was OP compared to 5e. It was like playing a tabletop MMORPG.
People hated it, but I really enjoyed it. Not because it was a good version of D&D, but because “tabletop MMORPG” was appealing to me.
(I am not an expert. I played 4e for one campaign.)
I had a binder full of moves for my level 8 barbarian.
If you really enjoyed the nuance of
spin in a circle with two one-handed weaponsas a distinct Action from `swing one weapon really hard in a circle” it was a great system.If you just want to play role playing game with some combat, it was a terrible system
Actually, it sounds like a great design choice, D&D has been way more focused on combat than regular rpg, and has never been the proper choice for roleplay, politics, horror, investigation story.
It seems that at least 4th edition was doing combat right