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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

The Far-Right really took off in the Netherlands under the leadership of Pim Fortuyn who was very openly gay.

Think about it: one of the first leaders of the modern Dutch Far-Right was openly gay and nobody cared to the point that he was politically very successful as a Far-Right leader. In which other country in the World would the Far-Right types be fine with their leader being gay?!

In my own personal experience (I actually lived there for almost a decade), the Dutch have the healthiest take of all when it comes to sexual orientation: it's all normal and in domains outside sex and romance treated as just about as relevant as people's eye color (i.e. pretty much nobody cares).

All this to say that from a Dutch point of view the sexual orientation of the prime minister being homosexual is irrelevant.

Beware of projecting the weird Anglo-Saxon viewpoint on sexuality and sexual orientation onto events taking place in a Dutch context.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

^ "In the Netherlands, just because gay, doesn't mean not Nazi."

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In terms of people's own ideology, that's everywhere, really.

The upside of seeing sexual orientation as irrelevant outside sex and romance is that one has no tendency to assume that just because somebody has a specific sexual orientation, that means they think in a specific way (which is just a variant of "they're all the same"), most notably in terms of Politics. This stands in contrast with what you see mainly in Anglo-Saxon nations.

So once one looks at the world like that it's obvious that people whose sexual orientation is one of the less common ones are just as likely to be Nazis as the rest.

The difference in The Netherlands versus other countries is on how free people feel to let society know what their sexual orientation is, rather than the proportion of those who are gay and have Nazi beliefs being higher in The Netherlands than elsewhere - in other words people who have Nazi beliefs there and who happen to be gay are more likely to let others know that they're gay than elsewhere.

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