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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

This should be a gifted article.

"corpse.. ..dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin"

.. "At least 10 bodies of female soldiers.. ..with signs of sexual violence"

.. "Dead Israeli soldiers.. ..have been shot directly in their vaginas"

.. "Three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women"

.. "At least three women and one man who were sexually assaulted and survived"

.. "a woman who was gang raped at the rave and was in no condition to talk to investigators or reporters."

Not the Israeli government..

Not the IDF..

THE NEW YORK TIMES.

[–] Peter1986C@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This should be a gifted article.

What do you mean? I Could read it, albeit with difficulty because of the subject matter (I use an ad blocker so the article was accessible).

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The NYT is usually paywalled. This article is not.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago

The IDF murders civilians, but Hamas drags it out first.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Still does not justify genocide or collective punishment. The babies who died under the bombs never raped anyone.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Reposting my comment in a way that hopefully doesn’t violate rule 5.

This type of comment is everything that is wrong with geopolitics. The correct response to hearing about an atrocity is not whataboutism.

The statement isn’t factually wrong, but it’s an asshole thing to say.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

It isn't factually wrong. Thanks.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.

Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.

And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.

That same morning, along Route 232 but in a different location about a mile southwest of the party area, Raz Cohen — a young Israeli who had also attended the rave and had worked recently in the Democratic Republic of Congo training Congolese soldiers — said that he was hiding in a dried-up streambed.

Jamal Waraki, a volunteer medic with the nonprofit ZAKA emergency response team, said he could not get out of his head a young woman in a rawhide vest found between the main stage and the bar.

Yinon Rivlin, a member of the rave’s production team who lost two brothers in the attacks, said that after hiding from the killers, he emerged from a ditch and made his way to the parking area, east of the party, along Route 232, looking for survivors.


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